Legal private gun sales…what???

Jason and I watch this show called 30 Days. If you’ve never heard of it, it really is a great show. They take someone say, who eats meat and they put them in a household with members of PETA. It’s pretty much to open peoples eyes to what they are normally against. Great show!

This week a women who is an opponent of gun ownership lives with a gun collector and his son for 30 days. They do it for sport. It’s the one thing that the son and father have in common and are very adamant about, the right to bear arms. She on the other hand, had a good friend killed by someone with a gun so she is believes that only law enforcement should be able to have the right to bear arms.

It all got me thinking. I fall somewhere in the middle. I used to think that ONLY law enforcement should be able to carry a fire arm, but I now think that if you’re responsible and using it for hunting or sport, then why not? I go back and forth really. I’m just not sure what I think. I will tell you what I know. I do know that there are private sales of guns going on at gun shows, swappers meets and over the Internet that are legal!! They do not do any kind of background check and most the time all they take down is their name!!! That is how guns get into the hands of our children and gang members.

When I was 14 I lost a cousin to gang violence. He was 21 and shot 3 times, once in the head and twice in the chest and was killed in front of his wife and two young children. You want to know why??? For his rims!!! I highly doubt that this hoodlum had a permit!! After that I’ve never been comfortable around guns and have had a very strong opinion on gun control. I think there needs to be stronger laws to protect us. I understand that criminals have criminal minds and they will do whatever it takes to get a gun but if privates sales were illegal, it may help a little. And a little goes a long way if it saves just one innocent life.

I know that little ol’ me won’t do much to make a difference. I do pray that someday it just won’t be an issue. Wishful thinking I know. There needs to be common ground. Don’t take the right away from responsible people who respect what a gun can do, but make it harder to purchase one. I think you need to have an extensive background check and hey, maybe even a psychiatric evaluation. What would it hurt? If you have nothing to hide and are sane, then why wouldn’t you be willing to go through such evaluations? These privates sales are killing innocent people. What do you think???

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37 Responses to Legal private gun sales…what???

  1. SKL says:

    I think if you look at the places where most intentional gun violence occurs, the shooters got the guns illegally. Take Washington DC – handguns have been illegal there for years, so how did it become the murder capital of the world? Criminals are criminals, they don’t balk at getting guns through criminal means. Then there are those madmen who got their guns after a background check / waiting period and then went on a shooting spree.

    I don’t know the arguments behind the private gun sales, but my thought is that if you had to do background checks and waiting periods, you simply wouldn’t be able to have those kinds of sales at all. I think it’s safe to say that the vast majority of guns bought in those sales are of the sporting / collecting variety and will never be used for any other purpose. The context of those types of gun sales is a big part of the tradition of sportsmen / gun collectors. My dad is a hunter / collector and this is one of the few social things he ever does.

    I do feel there are certain types of guns that should be subject to different laws. Non-antique machine guns and handguns, that sort of thing. The unregulated trade of these types of guns would be more likely to increase gun violence, and stopping it wouldn’t kill a peaceful tradition. I think they do have these kinds of laws in many or most places.

    I also feel that more needs to be done to force people to store their guns safely so that they can’t be used by their kids or easily stolen and used for crimes. I would be in favor of laws that require, for example, storing the gun disassembled in a locked box, with all ammunition in a different locked box, with penalties for parents whose kids manage to get into them anyway. My dad used to take his guns apart and hide the pieces in different places under lock and key. He also taught us how to respect guns. From news stories, it seems some parents fail to observe gun safety in their homes.

  2. candi says:

    Nicole, I agree with you 100 percent, a full evalutiion should be down, before any permit is issue to use a gun. I don’t buy any play guns, or even squirt guns, i know kind of the subject, but why let them pretend to kill now, when someday they might wonder what is like to really kill some living thing.

  3. Joy says:

    I still have the “morning cobwebs” in my head but I don’t agree with you Candi at all. We have a LOT of guns and my husband or either of my sons even hunt. They target shoot. That’s it. I’m sure that neither of my sons have ever killed anything unless it had to be killed. IE: our dog got hit by a car and my youngest son had to put her out of her misery. That kind of thing happens when you live out in the country. We also have raccoons, mean stray cats, skunks, coyotes and all kinds of animals we can’t have around the little ones. We have to have a gun(s).

    My husband and youngest son both have permits to carry although neither of them do that very often. They got them so they “could” buy one if they saw one and wanted them. They collect guns. I have no idea why it “rings their little bells” but it does. All of our guns are in a locked gun safe as well as have trigger locks on them and they are NEVER put away loaded. There is no way the kids could get in that safe. Heck, I can’t.

    I’m not sure how long a psyche evaluation would take and what it would involve. Lord, it would take me forever!! LOL!!! Nikki you said something very important in here, that “criminals have criminal minds”. In getting a permit to carry, you do go through extensive background checks but not any “doctor” stuff. I feel, and I’m not sure, but I feel that would be very extensive. How would you even know where to go for that?

    Also, both my boys played with guns whether they were “sticks, lego’s, vacuum cleaner hoses, cardboard, fingers or anything else they could pretend was a gun and they are both two of the sweetest animal lovers I know and would never hurt a fly. I don’t believe for one second that if you play with a gun as a child that you will turn into a murderer.

  4. nikki says:

    Oh goodness I see nothing wrong with playing with fake guns. Bailey has his whole life you just have to teach them when their a bit older the difference. It DOES NOT mean they are going to grow up to kill!!! A phyc eval is pushing it I know. My point was only really was that I thought the private sells should be illegal. “Our” guys are responsible and I trust them and I know they would never hurt a living soul in an attempt to harm! So Candi I have to disagree with you also. I think if your kids grow up and want to know what it’s like to kill an actual person it has nothing to do with the fact that they played with squirt guns as a child! Something else is obviously going on!

  5. nikki says:

    Please no one get me wrong. I have nothing against guns. That is not what I was saying at all. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people!! I just think the laws should protect us better and make it harder for criminals to get their hands on them. I would be willing to go through a background check, why shouldn’t EVERYONE else?

  6. Sue says:

    I grew up with family memebers having guns. My dad, uncles, aunts, and cousins all hunted. My dad had/still has a gun cabinet with a hunting rifle and shotgun in it. It was always locked and frankly I never had any interest in them. I was taught that guns are used for hunting animals that you’re going to eat. Not because they sat down and said so, but because that’s what I saw.

    My little one has just recently started the whole play gun thing. For whatever reason, Bailey’s double barrel play shotgun is the greatest thing to him. We tell him that you don’t shoot people. Shoot the sky or the ground, but not people.

    Private gun sales do sound scary, but if you make them illegal then you have to make all private sales of anything illegal. A car can kill a person just as easily as a gun and you don’t get a background check when you buy a car from someone. Is there an easy solution? No, but then what would we have to discuss?

  7. SKL says:

    Nikki, just to be a little more clear. About once a year my dad drives to a gun show in a neighboring state, out in the boonies, where they have collectibles such as old Civil War guns and 19th century hunters’ shotguns. He maybe stays over one night or comes home the same day. He usually doesn’t even buy anything, but if he did happen to find that particular old shotgun that he’s been wishing for at a reasonable price, he might buy it and bring it home.

    Of course my dad would pass a criminal background check. But, there’s no way he’s going to stay around for several days and wait while a background check gets done. Shipping an antique gun isn’t really a great option either. Plus, the sellers are mostly hobbiers like my dad, and they are not about to go through all the legal and electronic rigamaroll to make background checks happen. It’s just not going to happen. The people who my dad really wants to buy from will just stay home, and my dad will just stay home. You may say there’s no great harm in ending this gun show tradition (and the extras that go with it, particularly social opportunities for older rural people). But I will say that the “benefit” to be gained by ending it is very questionable. There are better ways to target the really dangerous stuff without punishing very peaceful people.

    The other issue is really a constitutional one. Not only the 2nd amendment, but also our right to privacy. Anything beyond a check of the crimes already in the government’s database would be a violation of this right.

    As far as psychological testing, I feel that is a non-starter. First of all, have you ever undergone such a test? It is extremely subjective. If you say you like red better than green, they might label you a certain way. Who decides what constitutes psyhological health and where the line should be drawn in deciding who can own a gun? Secondly, do you really want your responses to such a test in a government database? I don’t, and I am both sane (I think) and nonviolent. Then too, should they test only the gun purchaser, when s/he might have a crazy spouse, or might be buying the gun as a gift for a son/daughter? What if the buyer has a disability that makes taking the test too difficult (like, my dad has dyslexia)? How much are we willing to hassle law-abiding people as punishment for other people’s crimes?

  8. nikki says:

    Jason is telling me what to type because he’s busy so this is coming from him, but I do agree.
    Yea but Sue would you sell a car illegally? Would you sell to a minor without a license? And you don’t have to make ALL private sells of anything legal just to make a private sell of one thing legal. If you had a garage sell and had guns for sell would you sell to the first one who showed up? And guns were made for killing, cars weren’t. I want a gun but I know I can’t have one. With my personality I would do something stupid and I respect what a gun can do way to much!!

  9. nikki says:

    SKL- NO, I know that the evaluation crap is way out of this world. I would never expect that to ever happen. Just me up in the clouds is all:)

  10. Candi says:

    i just dont like that fact that any gun in my house, and maybe I worded that wrong, i didnt meant that they will want to grow and kill, maybe a thought would come to there head, so my kids never thought that, and nothing else would be going on. My kids know the facts of gun, I just dont like the fact of any gun, or gun related things in my home. Thats all. My kids just never wanted to buy a pretend gun.

  11. Joy says:

    No Nikki, your head isn’t in the clouds. You said in your post that “you didn’t know what you felt.” I think your open minded to talk about this. I knew this topic would generate controversy and different idea’s. I’ve been on enough blogs to know. People feel very strongly about certain things and gun control is one of them. That’s why I saved this for during the week where I knew people would see it.

    My bottom line opinion is this, rules and laws will only affect the honest law abiding citizen. People who follow all the rules already for everything. Like Paul and Toby. Someone who wants to kill someone is going to get a gun no matter what and it’s the honest ones who wouldn’t be able add to their collection or buy one for honest things. That’s where the problem, I feel, lies.

  12. SKL says:

    Just for the record, there are laws requiring licenses and permits that would make some of these questions moot. I am not an expert on these laws, but I have never heard of anyone selling or buying a gun at a garage sale. I would be OK with a law requiring an advance permit to sell or to hold a gun show with sales allowed; and permits / licenses to buy, carry, and hunt, also obtained in advance (like the annual hunters’ license); and a law against selling to someone who doesn’t present a permit. I could even see requiring the sellers to take the person’s name, etc. from a photo ID and turn it over to a government database after the sale. But requiring a fresh background check or waiting period at the time of sale is too burdensome on the wrong people.

    As for not wanting guns in your house, that is each person’s prerogative. However, it is a matter of personal belief. I don’t buy beef, beer, etc., so should there be laws against anyone else doing it? I haven’t seen a shred of evidence that growing up exposed to guns creates any problems, individual or societal (assuming basic gun safety is observed). But, in your own home, you may restrict anything you want. It’s a free country – let’s keep it that way.

  13. nikki says:

    The private gun sale says… all i need is your I.D. thats it. If that makes you comfortable so be it. Not us. Guns are made for killing, nothing else. I understand most people use them for target shooting or other things. That’s great, but not what there made for. I’m the type of person who can’t have one, I’m not responsible with that kind of power. Toby drunk is more responsible with a loaded weapon then me sober. It’s the way it is and I accept it, Hence me not owning a gun. So steve next door sells his shotgun,pistol whatever to leroy down the block he should need to inform SOME ONE. Send a copy of sale to the state, or somebody. Same as you are buying a car. Read the title, it says right on there transfer of sale should be done at the courthouse to insure proper transfer.

  14. Jane says:

    I hate “gun talks.” I feel when you live in the country and need guns, there are people who have such strong opinions that just don’t get the whys of it. I think there should be laws. There are laws now that I think are fine. Some people ignore these laws just like there are some people who ignore all laws and just think they can do what they want. Any more gun laws won’t stop those kinds of people. Us honest people who go by the law, follow what we are supposed to do are the only ones who this will affect.

    I have to put animals away all the time. It’s not fun by any means but it’s part of my job. My dad also sounds like SKL’s. He loves to go to auctions and buy old guns just because he thinks it’s fun. But he has all the permit to carry stuff and all the classes and such he needs to buy legally. As long as you are of age, you can buy a gun from these guys. Just like you would have to be of age to buy say, a car. Also I may add, there are no street thugs who are at these kinds of sales. Gangs and thugs buy them on the street corner. Nothing will stop that.

    I have a gun in my truck at all times. Not to “protect” me from people but in case I need one for an animal.

  15. Jason says:

    It’s also where you grew up. you and I hear a gunshot and we know it’s target shooting,hunting or a farmer. Where Nicole grew up some one just got shot at or murdered

  16. Candi says:

    Right Jason, that is so true, sad but true, we here gun shots all over this town, and right away we think of farmer, etc.. But where nicole did for sure someone got shot. Thats a fact.

  17. nikki says:

    Yes Jason when I heard a gun shot I knew exactly what happened. I remember one time at my Aunt Naoma’s I was probably 5 or 6 running into the house after gun shots and asking her if they were okay. I remember being scared and feeling unsafe. It followed me through school, it would be canceled because of bomb threats or gang riots. Gang riots happened at our school on a regular basis. Classes in lock down. My brother has had a gun to his face. I even get a knot in my stomach when I hear sirens because I associate the 2 together. Maybe that’s why I feel the way I feel.

  18. Paul says:

    Laws are only going to apply to the people who are going to follow them. Criminals won’t listen no matter what laws there are or what they change.

  19. Amber says:

    I read this post last night when you first posted it. It took me until now to sort my thoughts out enough to really make any kind of comment.

    I agree that people should have the right to keep arms if they wish. Many people hunt as a way of life. Who am I or who are any of us to take that away from them. I do feel that like a car, people should be licensed with guns. Basic tests being given. There also should be registration. Guns sold without going through the right channels should happen ever.

    The part that disturbs me is where you get into the high powered weapons. There is no reason to have a machine gun ever. No one needs to have a bazooka in their home. No one needs to have rocket launchers or semi-automatics. The only purpose for those types of guns is to kill other men.

    You have to wonder at the mentality of those who would want something like that in their homes. What could their reasoning possibly be?

  20. Joy says:

    You know Amber, I would have totally agreed with you about this 10 years ago. I still to do a point but to men, or “my men,” it’s about the fact the they “can” have one. My husband and youngest son “collect them.” They maybe bring them out twice a year. Maybe more if others want to see (admire) them. That’s it. They have targets up. They wear hearing protectors and everything. There’s quite the excitement going on. I can’t for the life of me figure out why they love it but can attest to it that they are only used to see who can out shoot the other. You should see some of the targets they buy. Of course all courses have been taken and all classes have been attended. They both really studied to get their license to carry and the only reason my husband got that was so that he could buy legally and get a gun when he wanted to to avoid the paperwork. They don’t even hunt. They never have.

    Now, as I said before, they are locked up in a safe that could burry Herman Munster and I don’t even know the combo. Nobody could ever get in it but those two.

    I worry more about Jason’s safety on his beloved motorcycle or when my youngest son is out on the tractor changing tire chains or cutting down tree’s or driving in a snow storm. I never, ever worry about them when they are doing this. They take it very seriously.

    Now, I buy an awful lot of “things I want”. I buy electronics and I’ll admit it, I spoil my kids and my grandkids but I can. My husband never says a word. One day I just pushed a button and bought a BOSE stereo because I “wanted to” and he never said a word. I went out and bought a 2 karat diamond ring just because I wanted it and all he asked was “would we be able to buy groceries?“ I could buy anything I wanted to and he would never say a word. How can I nag or tell him what I think he can or should buy? He honestly really likes to own them and brag about them. I don’t get it but they aren’t for killing or for hunting. They are for bragging.

    These are of course only “my men” so I can’t say why other’s want them.

  21. Amber says:

    Joy, do they own machine guns and semi-automatics? Do they own bazookas and rocket launchers? I doubt it. Have you seen some of those scary people who do??? The kind of people who live in compounds in Montana and believe that they are not part of the USA. SCARY PPLS.

    I totally understand why you support your husbands choice to have a gun. My husband for example likes expensive cars, expensive computers, and expensive holidays. I never say one word to him. He earns it… he can have it all, and he denies me NOTHING.

    I just don’t get the pleasure of having such things. I mean… antique guns are cool. I can totally see the beauty of having handguns and riffles for target shooting, and hunting. But when you get into assault weapons… I lose it.

  22. SKL says:

    My dad is a life member of the NRA but he also feels there is no reason why any private citizen needs a potential weapon of mass destruction (machine gun, etc.) – or more relevantly, why such ownership needs to be constitutionally protected.

    That said, the fact that we can’t relate to it doesn’t mean nobody has a right to it. That’s a constitutional inquiry. Personally I feel that upholding the constitution is extremely important, but as a lawyer, I know even these rights can be infringed to the extent there is an overriding societal need. I am sure lawyers are hard at work as we speak, developing both sides of the assault weapon argument. I’ll leave it to them to figure it out.

  23. Joy says:

    No Amber, they have none like that.

  24. Jennifer says:

    I grew up in a rural area that sounds similar to where many of you are coming from. My father hunted, my brothers hunted, although not for sport, but for the meat that would fill our freezer for the winter. We put down many animals when we needed to, and my father will still never venture into his cabin miles into the woods without something with him.

    He never kept them locked up, but they were always in a gun rack and were never loaded. The ammunition was stored in a separate location. We were all taught at an extremely young age that under NO circumstances were we to EVER, EVER, EVER touch them.

    When we were older we were taught how to properly care for them.

    I’m actually more fearful for my children because they have never seen a gun. My husband’s family owns none. My husband, while not against them, isn’t overly supportive of them either.

    While I don’t care if my kids grow up to be hunters, or use guns for sport, I am bothered by the fact that my kids don’t know the basic safety about guns. I think we spend so much time trying to ban them and outlaw them that we rarely educate about safety. Those that are interested in gun safety will sign up for a course, but everyone else will remain ignorant.

    I think all kids pretend at one point or another to play with guns, whether it’s a stick or their finger. It’s not anything taught to them. I don’t even have cable tv where I live and my son still imitates this at age 2. It just happens. But if he sees a real gun lying around at someone’s house would he know not to touch it? Would my daughter know what NOT to push on a gun to keep her safe?

    This bothers me more than whether or not the crazies out there get the guns. I’m pretty sure the crazies always have had and always will have the guns.

    So I guess I have to be a weirdo and say that I hope my kids somehow get some exposure to guns, but yet I am fine that I don’t have one in my house. Is that weird?

    A funny story…my parents both applied for their pistol permits..this was about 50 years ago… father got his with no problem…my mother failed her background check and couldn’t figure out how a housewife with two little kids could fail a background check….the real reason? Gender….nobody wanted to give a housewife in the 1950’s a handgun. It sometimes is a sore point with her today if my father brings it up.

  25. An interesting topic that unfortunately I know to well, the American laws seem different to ours as always – here it will take you 6 months to get a license and that is after 2 psychological evaluations, tests, etc. Ironically even a pen knife now is an illegal weapon… leads me to wonder what is the point seen as everyone is using them on each other *shrug* – it has to do with the culture the gun carries in the community. Here it is a murder weapon but where you are it might be a life line for food or a safety mechanism against a big scary bear. It all has to do with culture, where you live.

    I personally can’t stand them, the reasons are obvious, I know their sound for all the wrong reasons. Great post Nikki, you have a talent with words and your heart really shines through! A

  26. Joy says:

    That is a great point Jen. I had never thought of it from that point of view. I guess unless you are interested in learning about guns, you won’t. Jason never had an interest in them but Toby always did so he was the one who took all the classes. Maybe they both should have gone. You always could take your kids to gun safety classes. I’m not sure how old you have to be where you are. I’m not sure anymore how old you have to be in my state but when Toby did it it was 12 and a parent/adult had to accompany him.

  27. Tosha says:

    I haven’t read ALL the comments but I agree with you joy when you said this..

    “My bottom line opinion is this, rules and laws will only affect the honest law abiding citizen. People who follow all the rules already for everything. Like Paul and Toby. Someone who wants to kill someone is going to get a gun no matter what and it’s the honest ones who wouldn’t be able add to their collection or buy one for honest things. That’s where the problem, I feel, lies”

    I was raised with guns. I grew up to respect them and to know that guns do not kill people.. that PEOPLE kill people. There has to be a force behind the trigger for it to go off.. Yes accidents happen but every accident has a force behind it.
    I’m all for our gun rights. We have guns and my kids shoot them. They have been raised so far around them and will continue to be. They have been taught about guns. Education is the key. I have nothing against back ground checks being done on individuals who want a gun. But where do you draw the line when it comes to psychological evaluations done? Who gets a gun and who doesnt? Should someone who is depressed for a few months not own a gun? Someone who is bipolar? Where do you draw the line as far as psychological eval goes? Where do you draw that line about who has a right to own a gun and who doesnt.. The problem is.. That the people who are really messed up and shouldnt own a gun if they want one bad enough they’ll get one. Joy is right with what she said above.. laws will only affect the honest law abiding citizen

  28. nikki says:

    Thank you InsanityFound! I knew I’d be the minority on this subject and that’s fine with me. Not a lot of people grew up like I did and I’m grateful for that. I wish I wouldn’t have but you can’t change the past. I go back to Sacramento now and I’m appalled by how it’s gotten even worse!! My cousins ask me if I miss it and I’m like, are you kidding me?? There are nice parts to Sacramento but you aways have to go through a “hood” to get there. A place called Del Paso Heights was one for us. It’s a place where you do not stop and do not turn your head to look at the person next to you!! It’s sad that I have more memories like that than I do of good ones:( And that’s why I live in good ol’ Minnesota. I love the Minnesota nice!!

  29. Aye those memories that you have perhaps led you to write this post which in turn will touch someones life. Who knows, perhaps it could be the one thing needed to save anothers life. Perhaps someone has put that gun away back in the safe instead of on the kitchen counter, lots of perhaps’…

    If your memories helped save a life would you go through it all again?

    In life each of us saves many lives we don’t know who or when, we just do by being who we are as we are.

    Thanks again for this post, it was great, is great!

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  31. Geoff says:

    I am late here by several months. Look, as a gun owner, let me clear one myth up for you:
    There is no such thing as the “gun show loophole”. Period. Okay?
    Sales at gunshows are regulated the same way that they are elsewhere. Dealers at shows ARE REQUIRED to do THE SAME background checks they have to do when selling in their own shops, period. No if, ands, or buts. Got that? It is a lie and a myth to state otherwise. Gunshows have cops and ATF agents monitoring all activity going on.
    The “loophole” exists in some states, like my own-New Hampshire-in that a private sale of a gun can occur between two persons who can legally own a gun. I can sell a rifle or a handgun privately in state. I do so at my own risk, meaning I have the responsibility to be certain the person I sell to is not a felon or someone who can’t legally own a gun. Some States allow this, and other States do not.
    For all 50 States, it is the law that if I privately sell a gun from one State to a person in another State, then a background check MUST be done. This is accomplished when the seller ships the gun to a licensed dealer in another State, who then MUST do the background check before giving the gun to the person who bought it. Long guns-rifles and shotguns-can be shipped through the US Mail from a private, non licensed person to a licensed dealer in another State. Handguns can ONLY be shipped by a licensed dealer to another licensed dealer, PERIOD. No exceptions.
    Black powder guns, meaning the various single shot muzzle loaders and cap & ball revolvers (like the old west cowboy guns) are not regulated in this way. Neither are air guns.

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  33. ashlie says:

    There should never be a gun sold out of the FBI’s reach in my eyes.. It is wrong in every aspect to sell an 18 yr old a gun with no problem and no background checks being done. What will this world come too! I understand people hunt and o to shooting range’s but I think its all for addrenalline.

  34. Albert Nygren says:

    I realize that my comment will probably not be read since this thread is so old; but, just in case. This idea that increased regulation of handguns will reduce crime is irrational. The fact is that when I was 22 y/o in Wisconsin (1955), if I wanted to buy a handgun all I had to do was go into a store that sold handguns, show them my drivers license to prove I was 21 y/o, and give them the money. They would sell me the gun and give me a receipt.

    In 1955 there were many fewer murders and much less crime. Now you have to have permission from the state and fill out Federal forms. None of these things have reduced any kind of crime. Criminals buy any kind of gun they want and carry it without a permit any time they want.

    Even if all gun manufacture was illegal in the US and no one could get a permit to own any kind of gun, it would change nothing. This was certainly the case in Northern Ireland during the IRA rebellion. It was illegal for anyone except the police and the army to possess or carry any kind of firearm, yet members of the IRA had handguns, sub machine guns, bombs and even bazookas!. There are guns manufactured all over the world and people who will sell them to anyone. It is all illegal but, you know, criminals don’t care if something is illegal or not.

    Most of the anti-gun propaganda is produced by wealthy people and it is nothing but class warfare. No one will admit it but wealthy people and the Liberal Elite, don’t want the peasants (us) to have firearms! it makes it harder for them to control us peasants.

    The other thing is that the lies of the ant-gun crowd appeals to those Liberal/Progressives who believe that “We must do something!”, whether that something actually improves things or not. The Liberal media has successfully demonized firearms so that to emotional people who have difficulty thinking rationally, firearms are a symbol of illegal violence. Because of this they believe that by regulating “the symbol” of illegal violence that they will actually reduce the illegal violence itself. That doesn’t work but, “We must do something!”

    People with this type of thinking (actually non thinking), believe that if they make certain foods illegal, that no one will get fat! Please, try to be rational and logical and don’t interfere with us honest, law abiding, adults from owning and carrying firearms. One of us just may save your life someday or the life of your child. God bless us all.

    • Joy says:

      I agree with you. Laws like this only hurt the honest.

      I read all our comments by the way and was happy you took the time to make one.

      • Albert Nygren says:

        Thank you so much, Joy for taking the time to read all comments, especially mine as the thread was so long ago. By the way, I was reading SKL’s comment and saw that he/she ended by saying that He/she was sure that lawyers on both sides were working on the “assault weapon argument”. Part of the problem is that the anti-gun crowd doesn’t mind misleading people.

        The truth is that there is no assault weapon issue. An assault rifle by definition is a rifle with a fully automatic action (a machine gun). There are essentially no full automatic weapons sold in the US and almost no full automatic weapons used in crimes in the US. Only on TV and in the movies are machine guns used to commit crimes.

        There was never an “assault rifle ban”. There was a ban on “assault like” rifles imported into the US. These were rifles that had semi-automatic actions but looked like rifles that had full-automatic capabilities. Manufacturers of the SKS rifle and the AK 47 converted some of those rifles to semi-auto action only so they could sell them in the US. The newer SKS rifles and AK47 rifles are manufactured differently so that they cannot be converted to full-auto capability.

        The anti-gun crowd will never clear up the confusion because it suits their purpose to have uninformed people be afraid of rifles that there is no reason to be afraid of. Thanks again for reading my comment and God bless you and your family. May they be prosperous and never come to harm.

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