The Arizona law

Okay, I’m gonna talk about it. I wasn’t going to but have since thought, why not. Let me begin by saying that most of us had ancestors in our family who came here from other places. That’s all very fine and good and it’s the “American Way.” My own dad came from Canada and for 35 years filed each and every year for his visa to stay here. He did everything the way he was supposed to. He became and American citizen in the early 90’s.

I’d like to know how you all feel about this law? Do you feel the authorities have the right to ask anyone for ID? Now, this is just my opinion but in times of trouble, I sure wouldn’t mind. Look what we have to go through in order to fly. It benefits us all though doesn’t it? I’m a Caucasian but I think I’d have to take my shoes off to fly and there are countless other things I need to do in order to get on an airplane. Is this not discrimination because they make everyone do it and not only certain people?

I’m not one to quote laws or quote the constitution but I just know common sense. If it benefits all of us, don’t you think it should be done? I can’t tell you who I’m quoting because they wouldn’t like it but I have talked to someone who lives in AZ and though right now it’s a pain in the ass, we have to start somewhere. This is a quote, “everyone is complaining that this isn’t the right thing to do. What is then? We’ve been talking about this for 25 years but nobody wants to do anything about it. Unconstitutional, to who? If you’re here illegally, you have no constitutional rights and if you’re here legally, then this shouldn’t bother you. Should it?”

This person shocked me. They and I are NOT anywhere in agreement with our political views and I really didn’t expect this outburst. I agree though. We have to do something. But what? Where does “racial profiling” end? Are we to “assume” that Mexican’s look like Caucasians? Or African-Americans? Or Asians? Of course not. Mexican’s have a certain look just like we all do depending on our heritage. I think Swedes or Germans or Italians tend to have similar looks. Blond hair or darker complexions and so what’s wrong with that?

So, I was going to leave all this alone because I didn’t want a fight but then I went on Facebook on Saturday and this is what one of my friends posted in his status:

“His name here” thinks that instead of protesting against the new law Arizona is trying to pass the people should embrace it and be proud to show their ID…After all they are proud to be here aren’t they?

I’ve also heard this being compared to Nazi Germany. Well, seriously, how’s that? There you had some mad man trying to rid the world of a People. In Arizona, we are just trying to take our county back. We aren’t trying to obliterate anyone. We don’t want to kill anyone. We just want everyone to be here legally. The right way. My “Arizona source” also said “people think they are doing jobs American’s won’t do and I’d like to know how they know that? Americans can’t find jobs now and the illegals have been here so long, we don’t know what Americans would do or wouldn’t do.”

One more thing and I’ll end this new tirade. I was watching the CBS Evening News tonight and the reporter was reporting that now all the illegals are leaving AZ and moving to other states. They are also reporting that more people are for this than are against it. One family on this program had two illegal parents and 10 children in a one bedroom apartment and all the kids are American citizens. So now how does that work? Is this now our responsibility? These people knew what they were doing. So now what’s to happen to all these children? I think that law also has to be redone. I feel for those children but I feel for all children and they didn’t ask for this.

We do have to start somewhere. I think we all agree on that. But what should we do other than talk about it?

Please be respectful of others opinions. This is a very touchy subject.

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35 Responses to The Arizona law

  1. SKL says:

    OK, first, let’s get a few things straight, that some in the media don’t want people to understand.

    1) The motivation for this law in Arizona was not racism. It was the fact that people were freely coming across the border by the hundreds every day, and committing serious crimes against the ordinary US citizens living there, in their own homes / properties. We’re talking murder, rape, kidnaping, robbery, vandalism, etc., etc. Some of these US citizen victims are Hispanic themselves. The Federal government did not meet its responsibility to protect the US citizens on this side of the border from these crimes. So the people of the state decided to do something about it.

    2) I have read different versions of what the law allegedly requires. The source I trust most said that the law does not allow police to just go up and stop people and ask for “their papers.” The police can only ask for documents if they already had some legitimate reason to stop the person. Also, a driver’s license is sufficient proof that you have the right to be here.

    Now, I pretty much take my driver’s license everywhere I go, and I don’t see that as much of a burden. I’m also asked to show my driver’s license in a variety of situations, so I don’t think it’s a big deal.

    Of the 6 people living in my household, 4 are brown-skinned and foreign-born, 3 are fluent in foreign languages, 2 have foreign accents, and 1 is not a US citizen. So I’m not talking from a “at least it can’t happen to us” perspective. Each of us has been asked for “our papers” so many times in our adult lives, this really does not faze us.

    Some groups are convinced that this is going to lead to widespread racist harassment. There is no proof of that. Let’s see if it actually happens. Meanwhile, do those “compassionate” groups care about the harassment and worse that US citizens of all shades are having to endure due to the lawlessness that has been going on in Arizona? How many people have to be murdered to justify an ID check?

    These groups think it is a national embarrassment that some people in this country want the immigaration laws to be obeyed. Oh, how awful, now some of these ILLEGALS feel unwelcome and are thinking about going away. Can anyone here name one other country where the government and citizens think the border doesn’t mean anything, that immigration laws are unnecessary, that just anyone should be able to come on over without even checking in at the gate? Please let me know what country does that.

    So given the fact that many of the opponents of this new Arizona law don’t see illegal immigration as much of a problem anyway, I really can’t take their arguments seriously.

    Is there a possibility that racial profiling will occur? Yes. But, that doesn’t mean the law needs to be thrown out. I have friends who are convinced that they are subjected to extra security screening every time they travel by air, due to racial profiling. So, does that mean we should outlaw the extra security screenings? Or are we only sensitive when this happens to Hispanics? Why? Isn’t that racist too?

    And speaking of discrimination, I could go on all day about the things I have to do / things my family is denied because my skin is the wrong color and because I made responsible choices throughout my life. Why, for instance, are my kids denied the free preschool that their step-cousins get to attend (and which I, not the benefiting parents, have to pay for)? Why are they not eligible for programs such as the Girls Clubs of America? Why is discriminating against them OK, but any law that might inconvenience more “people of color” than “whites” is an outrage?

    But to your other question – what is the right thing to do if this ID-check isn’t? Well, how about the feds build a fence along the border? Because that would hamper . . . what? Illegal entry? It would make Mexican workers as well as US workers have to show ID upon crossing the border (welcome to international travel)? Since when is it national policy to allow and encourage our borders to be illegally infiltrated? And yet when I go to Canada, I go through the designated checkpoints, prepared to provide ID. Build the fence, Mr. Obama. Stop the bleeding. Then we can talk about whether or not it makes sense to work with the illegals who are here toward possible citizenship, with conditions. One of the conditions should be a significant fine / fee. After all, they are lawbreakers, trespassers, and have cost the US taxpayer. Another should be passing a citizenship test in English, and another should be proving financial support – just like other immigrants have to.

  2. SKL says:

    Oh man, I just wrote a long comment, please tell me it didn’t get lost . . . .

    • Joy says:

      I saved the day 🙂

    • Laura says:

      SKL, off topic… when i write a big long comment like that, I always “copy-paste” it into Word, or an e-mail, or some other blank document, just so I don’t lose a syllable of my brilliance. Then, if it gets lost in cyberspace (you wouldn’t believe how much this happened on ‘that other blog’), I can just re-copy/paste back here and try again.

  3. Laura says:

    Ok, first off… Joy, you beat me to it. I was writing a similar post, but it got hampered because I couldn’t find stats (my life got in the way) on what the illegals are paid under the table. And I’ll get to that in a minute.

    Regarding the law:

    1. There already exists a law just like the one that the state of Arizona has put into place. It is a federal law, and the Feds have not enforced it. (In fact, in the case of some Border Patrol Officers, the officers are thrown into Solitary Confinement, and the illegals – who are also drug runners – go free. And are brought back, on Taxpayer Dollars, to testify against the Border Patrol Officers who were simply doing their jobs.) The Feds *already* have the right to “ask for your papers” if they suspect that you are here illegally. They can ask for them if they suspect you of any nefarious deed, actually. If I’m standing on a street corner asking men to go behind that tree with me for money, I can be asked for my papers. If I want to fly anywhere, on a commercial airliner, I am not only asked for my “papers”, I am subject to my bags and my person being rifled through and inspected in the most humiliating way, and if I refuse, on the grounds of “illegal search and seizure” (remember the Constitution?), I am treated like a criminal and, at the very least, escorted from the airport. I risk being thrown in jail, because I wish to assert my Constitutional Rights, but illegals can wander across the border freely? (what part of “Illegal” is unclear?)

    Now, why did AZ have to pass this law? Citizens were being harmed. Did you know that Phoenix is either the #1 or #2 ranked city IN THE WORLD for kidnapping? Mexico is on fire. Their drug-running problem is out of control, and it’s spilling over our borders. And the Feds turn a blind eye, turn a deaf ear, when their own citizens cry out for help, but when people who are here illegally demand their “rights” (welfare, free healthcare, social security), our government is suddenly awake and alert, because, God Forbid, they be seen as “racist”. The situation is upside down, and Arizona had no choice but to right it. The state is going bankrupt thanks to all of this illegal activity, and they HAD to take steps.

    2. The law is NOT racist. It is putting trust – well-placed trust that we use EVERY SINGLE DAY – into the hands of trained police officers.

    When someone robs a bank, we trust police officers to take the information they have, including the description of the thief …build, hair color, eye color, any distinguishing marks (scars, tattoos), and, yes, race – to bring the Bad Guy to justice. Nobody yells “racism” then. But here we have an entire group of people – yes, most share a race – who have proudly labeled themselves “illegal”, and the federal government not only sits on their own thumbs, but they have also tied the hands of police to do anything about it. People are being raped, kidnapped, murdered, and the Feds do nothing, because they might be seen as “racist.”

    Illegal means illegal. You rob a bank or come here outside the proper channels, and you’ve committed a crime. Go home or go to jail.

    3. The Anchor Baby law should be repealed. For those who are unfamiliar, in a nutshell that law states that any child born on U.S. Soil is automatically granted citizenship. To my knowledge, we are the only country that has a law like this. And, again, to my knowledge, it was put in place to circumvent some of the crap that was going on with slavery before, during, and after the Civil War. The ‘Anchor Baby’ law (so nicknamed with the onslaught of illegals, not the pre-1860 slave trade) was to assist the children of Slaves to become citizens so they would have a vote, etc. The law should have had a sunset. Either it did not, or it continues to be renewed.

    Now, that law is being used against us. People KNOW that they can come here and have babies, so they do. And they also know that if they have a baby who is a citizen, they can use our compassion against us, because it would be “cruel” of US to send those illegal parents home without their children. Well, whose fault is it, really? Ours, for being nice and letting you have a baby in our clean hospital (and not charging you for it), or yours for using our charity against us? It’s time to eliminate that law, and if it is, I have no doubt that suddenly, illegal immigration will diminish. It won’t solve it, but it will sure eliminate some of it.

    3. The illegals who are coming here are modern-day slaves. The phrase that keeps getting knocked around is “they do jobs that Americans just won’t do”. But that’s only half the truth, isn’t it? The truth is, “they do jobs that Americans just won’t do FOR THE PAY THAT THEY’RE RECEIVING UNDER THE TABLE.” Many of these illegals, migrants, whatever you want to call them, are being paid pathetically low wages. Well under the Legal Minimum Wage. They are paid in cash, on a day-by-day basis. (This also means that FICA, etc., are not taken out, but that’s another argument) They live in tenements, at best, often with multiple families in one house. These people are modern-day slaves. It amazes me that those who are still trying, today, to get reparations for “African American” slavery don’t see – or refuse to see – that similar crap is happening to these people.

    4. Anyone who cannot see that this is not about human rights, but about votes, is a fool. I’m sorry to be so blunt, but there it is, out in the open. Why else would there be this huge push to “legalize” the illegals, but, at the same time, such massive resistance against Photo IDs presented at the Polling Place, in an effort to eliminate voter fraud? Why is it so horrible to ask for “papers” or proof of legality when you’re acting suspicious, but it’s ok for Mickey Mouse to vote, multiple times?

  4. Sue says:

    I didn’t really know where to start, but you guys have made great comments and I agree with them. I don’t understand how ILLEGAL aliens feel they should have rights and how others can stand beside them and get angry at the government. If you want the same rights I have, then get in line, fill out your paperwork, and wait patiently like the rest of us! It shouldn’t be a free for all here b/c we’re afraid of hurting someone’s feelings and being seen as racist.

  5. SKL says:

    Illegality always ends up being a discussion about compassion, doesn’t it? Usually, compassion on my dime.

    You compassionate people, I hope you know that you are robbing my little fatherless Hispanic daughters of their education fund every time you push for a “compassionate” use of my tax money (or my insurance premiums).

    But I fear I’m clouding the issue. The fact is, even if these illegals crossing the Arizona border never get a dime in tax-funded benefits, they are still a nuisance and they are still breaking the law. There is nothing wrong with securing our border. Interestingly, the percentage of “compassionate” people seems to be a lot lower along the border where the illegals actually scurry across the border, toting their drugs and weapons, and terrorizing and looting as they go. Funny how people thousands of miles away think they have a right to talk down to people who are actually living this.

  6. Nikki says:

    Well after the comments already said here, I’m not even sure where to start! I can’t even compare to their knowledge, nor will I try!
    BUT in my opinion, you want to live here, do it legally! Learn English! Put a damn Great Wall of America and make them come in one by one, through a process called…..legalization!!!!!! If they want opportunities, a chance at a good life, and are willing to do it legally I am all for it! America was built on not just one race, one culture.

    I think first and foremost we should feel safe, and I can only assume that a lot of border citizens feel they live in a lawless land. that’s unsettling feeling, you should feel safe in your home and on your property. Bad people will find a way to do bad things. Make it harder! A fence is not going to stop them! DUH!

    Better yet, the president of Mexico should make his country worth living in. Make it so they don’t want to leave….this may be a very uneducated comment but there it is!

    • Nikki says:

      And yes I know making Mexico a better place to live won’t help with the bad people coming in…that’s where the giant WALL comes in. Unpractical? I don’t care!

      • Laura says:

        No, Nikki… in many ways, you hit the nail right on the head. Those who continually flee Mexico have a responsibility to sit tight in their own country and make it a better place. Problem is, they don’t have the kind of freedoms that we are rapidly losing in this country. It’s not legal to demonstrate against the government. So instead of standing up and fighting for what’s right, they come here and bash us when we do that.

        And we have a bunch of namby-pamby morons who put on the “compassion blinders” and see only that “people are poor”, but not why.

        I really like your idea of a Great Wall of America. Unfortunately, OSHA would get involved, and we’d have escape tunnels every ten feet. And we’d have to hand out safety cables and harnesses to those illegals who wished to scale the wall, lest they fall off and then sue us.

  7. Hmm. I have a problem with the whole issue of illegals. I agree that anyone who isn’t a US citizen and has crept over the boarder and lives there… well, shouldn’t live there. And I can completely understand the anger about the job situation.

    And yet, it seems to me to be such a complex issue. America stands as basically the most powerful nation in the world, but its immigration rules are so extremely strict now. There are still so many unpopular places in the US, and so many people who want to come and live there, in land of opportunity and freedom. Of course people from over the boarder would want to have their kids in an American hospital so that they can get citizenship and live in a place with more opportunities. But this is also, of course, not exactly a fair thing to do because there are people all over the world applying and applying and applying to the US Green Card lottery who are waiting to be allowed in.

    The only thing I can see as a possibility is somehow going back to the days of early settlements in the US. As in, if people want to come and live in the US so they can work there and provide for their families, then they could work building new settlements, new towns and cities in the many unpopulated areas in the US… This may be a very naive solution, but it seems like a way to allow in more people.

  8. Nikki says:

    It probably got sent to spam, it happened to me too!

  9. starlaschat says:

    Wow , I’m going to have to come back to read the comment, there’s a few. And I’m sure when I come back there will be more said on the subject ;+) That’s good opening the discussion. My backs really hurting today so my time sitting is limited. It just hurts too much, I have been working on my posture sitting up real straight. I know that has nothing to do with the topic. I come back in a few.

  10. Laura says:

    You’re right, the Immigration Laws probably need a massive overhaul. Either that or just the bureaucracy – I’m more likely to believe that it’s the process, not the laws, but I’m no expert on either, so I’m willing to hedge things a bit.

    The first Immigration Law that needs to be enforced is “thou shalt not enter illegally”. Look at other countries. What happens in those countries if you show up illegally and are caught? You’re tossed out. But here, you’re walking into a place where there are those who will fight for the rights that you do not have any claim to.

    I can agree with you on the settlement thing, to a point… yeah, people need to get into those nasty, falling down places in our cities and towns and buff them up. But I’m not sure I’m for starting new settlements. Back in history, in the early days of people coming here and settling, it was a BIG deal to learn English, to “Become American”. Now, part of our problem IS those “settlements” – Chinatown is rife with Chinese Gangs running drugs, prostitutes and other illegal activities. Those settlements encourage more nativism – keeping their own cultures alive – as opposed to assimilation into the American Experience.

    Until that assimilation starts again, until being a Proud American is not an insult, this problem is not going away.

    • Ed says:

      Do the actual laws really need a massive overhaul – or perhaps the process that has taken the enforcement out of the law?

      I tend to avoid using terms like “massive overhaul” – similar to other legislation put forward – why does it have to be massive and then you are given an all or nothing choice?

      • Joy says:

        Oh Ed, I hate the all or nothing deal. I did a post on it a while back. Why not just try to work out what’s not working?

  11. SKL says:

    SlightlyIgnorant, you are a thinker. You have come up with a creative idea. Only a few problems I have with it:

    1) The environmentalists would not agree that settling unsettled areas is a good thing.

    2) Settling the run-down / abandoned areas would not be seen as a good thing either, unless the people were bringing plenty of money. It would be seen as making a bad problem worse. Actually, those are the places people go already when they don’t have a place to hang their hat. And there is a lot of crime and related problems as a result. Not exactly the place you’d want to raise your kids. The “compassionate” people then would insist that the taxpayers need to build free housing, etc. for these individuals since it’s a shame our country has places like that. And as has been proven over the past several decades, after billions of dollars of subsidies, these areas would still be slums.

    We do have a law that allows immigrants to sort of “buy” citizenship if they invest a bunch of money in the US. I don’t think the folks sneaking over the border have that kind of money.

    3) The US won’t continue to be the “land of opportunity” if tax rates keep going up and regulations keep getting more stifling. Making “room” for more and more uneducated people just because “they are looking for a better life” would be fine if it didn’t come with the implicit obligation to make these people’s lives comfortable. This isn’t how it used to be. Used to be, people had a much greater motivation to work their butts off, because we didn’t have the extensive and costly safety net that we now have. And, I don’t see us going back to the days when hard work was actually valued.

    4) It’s really not the US’ responsibility to provide a new homeland for people who aren’t satisfied where they are.

  12. I get what you’re saying, SKL, and I know that my “solution” was a naive one. You’re right, hard work is not a thing people appreciate much now, because so many are used to having it easy, OR on the contrary, see people on TV having it easy and think that they deserve to have it, too.

    Laura – same as I said to SKL, yes, my solution is naive. In a perfect world, Americans out of jobs would also want to be employed in creating new places for them to live well in. But again, that’s naive, too…

    • Laura says:

      I don’t think that any idea that might lead to a solution is “naive”. That’s how good ideas get started. It’s when you hang onto that idea, and argue for it even when it’s been proven over and over again that it doesn’t work… that’s “naive”.

    • Joy says:

      Absolutely Ilana. I wish the powers that be would bounce things around like we do. It’s how I believe all good idea’s are born.

  13. Jason says:

    Something else to think about if these “Hispanic Americans” have a problem with the authorities checking their ID’s, then maybe they should point their anger toward the illegal aliens that continually skip around the legal process.

  14. Ed says:

    My two cents…

    First, I think the topic “deflects” from the true core problem. That is the topic of the enforcement of existing federal laws on immigration – thus the term “illegal”. The laws are and have been on the federal books for some time – they are just unenforced – and I admire a state that wants to attempt to take action on enforcing the law.

    Second, most of the arguments on that deflect center on the racial or profile topic – and the need to prove identity. Is this really a bad thing? To drive a car, I should be able to prove I am licensed – to carry a hand-gun – I am expected to prove I have a right to carry permit. When I walk into the doctors – I should show my proof of insurance. When I gain lawful employment I’m expected to provide my social security number so I can be taxed on my income. More importantly – when I cross the borders, I am expected to show my passport and while traveling in a foreign country – I am expected to show my passport when asked by authorities, hotels, rental car agencies, and other places… Why is it wrong – to ask for identification showing legal status in a country?

    I don’t get it.

    • Joy says:

      I agree Ed. I don’t see what the big deal is. There are so many times we are asked for an ID and it never makes me feel bad in any way. I was with my mom one day at JC Penny and she used a credit card and was asked for her drivers license and she got irritated with the clerk and I told her it was in her best interest. What if someone had just stolen her purse and was trying to use her card? She never thought of it that way before.

  15. sweetiegirlz says:

    After living 2 years in lovely California (land of the illegal aliens) I vote Fence, border patrol reinforcement, id card, name tag, deportation, and when we catch anyone in the US illegally, branding them like a cow gets branded. But anything the law would be doing now is like shutting the barn door after the cows ran out.

  16. lucy says:

    I think most of you have valid points and arguments that I very much respect. Unfortunately there are some that just make me cringe and question humanity. (So I apologize in advance if I insult anyone, but I was appalled at some of the stuff I’ve read and feel the need to speak up!!)

    “I vote fence…. id card, name tag, deportation, and when we catch anyone in the US illegally, branding them like a cow gets branded.” SERIOUSLY??? That kind of thinking right there is why some individuals in the media are comparing this law to Nazi Germany. BRANDING THEM?? We’re not in some concentration camp in the 1940’s!!! Not all individuals who come into this country illegally are criminals. Illegals are still HUMANS and they deserve to be treated as HUMANS, not cows!!! Seriously, just hearing someone say the words “branding” in conjunction with humans is repulsive!!

  17. sweetiegirlz says:

    It was a joke. Seriously though, you might wanna check out how much of your taxes go to supporting people who come to the US illegally. I trust you might be apalled

  18. sweetiegirlz says:

    seriously though Lucy, I apologize for my joke, if I offended you or you thought I was being real.

    • Joy says:

      Thanks for that sweetiegirlz. I like everyone to get along even if we differ in opinions.

    • lucy says:

      I appreciate the apology. I understand that it was just a joke, but unfortunately I live in a part of the country where individuals say these kinds of things and actually mean them… so I might have taken it too literally and seriously.

      I worry that individuals in this country (and I don’t mean you, I’m just generalizing) get so sucked into debates about immigration (and other politics) and that they forget that we are talking about PEOPLE. Real and breathing individuals who have feelings and emotions…(as well as a personal history, hopes, dreams, barriers to success, and burdens) not just undesirable objects that should be gotten rid of.

      • SKL says:

        I think of them as people. I’m a person too, but I would never dare to sneak into Mexico without showing my passport. I wouldn’t expect Mexicans to look the other way, just because they understand that I’m a person too. I’ve had a few scary moments in other countries even though I had my “papers” on me. At one point, I wondered if my parents would ever find out how I died. But my humanity didn’t change the fact that I was in a foreign country, subject to their laws, and to a large extent, at the mercy of their citizens. It goes with the territory, so to speak. Folks who choose to sneak across are knowingly weighing the risk against the reward. These individuals are not naive. Accountability – it’s a memory from the past, I know – but it ought to apply fully to these people.

      • SKL says:

        Oh, and your comment about talking about PEOPLE applies to all people – including ranchers, policemen, southern gentry, wall street bankers, NRA members, oil prospectors, etc. Even racists are people. Reluctantly, I’ll even add politicians to the list. There are important reasons for each attitude that is espoused. My mom’s best friend was raped by a black man, and right or wrong, she never was a fan of the inner city black community after that. She was as human as anyone, and frankly, she deserved compassion more than most, but some groups would dehumanize her as a racist pig. So it works both ways.

        As a member of the international adoption community, I first heard about this law via outrage posts. Folks were claiming concern that their own (US citizen) kids, when older, could be harassed just because of their looks. But wait a minute. Isn’t that dehumanizing the policemen who would allegedly do the harassing? Do people really think that the police would suddenly start rounding up brown people and roughing them up, and maybe falsely imprisoning them, just because this law is now on the books?

        I personally know some illegal immigrants (maybe all of us do). They seem like nice folks who aren’t wreaking havoc on society. Their parents and siblings all live in the USA (most legally). Yes, they are working at jobs Americans would want and they are getting a free ride on our taxpayer-funded infrastructure. But, do I want them to be deported? I’m conflicted on that. I could report them if I wanted to be militant about it, but I haven’t. I’d rather they figure out how to get their lives in order, whether that means staying or leaving, legally and without anyone putting them in handcuffs. BUT, do I want more people coming in the way they did (overstayed their visitor’s visa)? No. It’s wrong and they know it. Do I want more people coming in without even having legal entry? Hell no. It’s a clear security risk, no matter how human these individuals are. There’s nothing wrong with making these folks feel that they don’t belong here – because they don’t.

  19. c says:

    I have tried to hold my tongue (or fingers- since this is the internet rather than face to face conversation) but really feel the need to speak up.

    I understand that people here illegally are breaking the law and need to be punished. The thing that gets me is the racial profiling approved to uncover the illegal immigrants.

    I am a person of multiple races- not one of them being Mexican. Still, people often think I am Mexican and are surprised to find I am not. Also, I was born in the United States and will die in the United States. I work hard, pay taxes and obey the laws of land. Having shared that, I can say that I would find it very upsetting to be pulled over for ID checks because I look Latina and may be illegal.

    I think that if we were being as stringent with our Canadian neighbors to the north, you all might understand how the idea of this type of profiling would be upsetting. I have a strong feeling in my gut that some commentors would be talking about their civil rights as Americans being trampled upon.

    And as far as taxes are concerned, I’d rather have my tax dollars going toward the immunizations or the education of folks trying to make better lives for themselves than bio-weapons research or the mating habits of banana slugs.

    I in no way condone illegal immigration. But this, to me, seems to be targeting a specific group of illegal immigrants and I find that terribly upsetting.

    One last point to ponder. People from Mexico, Central and South America can look White, Black and Indian. So I’m wondering where the path of racial profiling will lead us to in the long run.

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