What do you think?

What do you think of bullying? How about this?

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37 Responses to What do you think?

  1. Vicki says:

    I seen this video the other day and thought good for him for sticking up for hisself and putting that lil punk in his place, enough is enough!!! I also read the one who defended hisself was suspended from school…what bullcrap!

  2. mssc54 says:

    Ya mess with the bull, ya get the horns! Lol

    I saw an update on this today. BOTH kids were suspended. That’ll teach that kid to defend himself!

  3. Jenny says:

    yea good for him for sticking up for himself, but he kinda took it to the extreme! The way he picked that kid up and body slammed him down, its a good thing he didn’t land on his neck! Looked like he hit his ankles on the ledge and they got hurt. I was surprised to see that the little kid was the one who was the bully. What is wrong with kids these days? Why can’t everyone just get along!?!?

    • Vicki says:

      extreme?? I can about imagine how the one getting punched in the face felt, im sure he just blew when he finally had enough..i wouldnt doubt that lil guy didnt have a broken ankle off of that. perhaps it will teach him a lesson. I say serves him right!

  4. SKL says:

    I have mixed feelings about this. The smaller boy was also much younger. As an adult looking in from the outside, I want to say, Casey didn’t have to slam the kid so hard. But I realize Casey may not have had the luxury of reasoned forethought. And this incident was apparently the last straw for Casey. Runt or no runt.

    I must say I do NOT feel sorry for the smaller boy.

    It’s hard to think about how to teach kids about dealing with bullies (particularly those who are smaller, younger, weaker little piss-ants). I was always taught that I must NEVER hit back. Turn the other cheek. Don’t stoop to their level. Both kids involved will be punished. Use your words. Bla, bla, bla. I was one who could control myself and do what I felt was right, even while somene bigger was pounding my head in. But being a victim was unpleasant in every way.

    That said, if I had it to do over again, the only thing I’d change was the way I talked. I’d speak a lot more boldly so the other person would back off. I can say that now, because I now know that my brains would not have ended up splattered across the bathroom mirror. There was a time when I wasn’t so sure of that.

    So that’s what I’m trying to teach my kids – to take a stand and let people know they have no right to get in your face – yet I’m not telling them to hit back. I think if you’re confident enough, you’ll rarely have to do this. I may be completely wrong, of course.

  5. Ellen says:

    I think the boy who was bullied, went extreme, but he is a kid too and does not control his anger that well yet. I can imagine he needed to be expended to come to terms with his reaction. What I see from the video is, that the bully enjoys himself to hit the other boy.I do hope that his parents sees this video, and have some serious talk with their son. This kind of kids were there always. I haven’t been exposed to bullying kids but my sons sometimes did and it was hard to give your children the right advice how to react.

  6. mssc54 says:

    Okay on the fence or even sympathizers of the scrawny bully boy.

    Remember the big kid is already an odd-ball. He’s larger than the other kids. Likely been rediculed and rediculed and rediculed and he would kept taking it, taking it and taking. Until one day the bullies felt, “Well lard-ass just keeps taking it so why don’t we just REALLY start pushing him around. We could really look big if we can push lard-ass around.” So in addition to verbally abusing the kid because of his size they began to physically hit and push him until the volcano errupted!

    Screw the little b’tard. I hope he walks with a limp long enough to sear into his mind that he needs to treet others in a kinder way!!! Screw him and his parents!!!

    But that’s just my correct opinion. 🙂

    • SKL says:

      I think I read that the smaller boy was 12 and Casey was 16. Does that change your opinion?

      Like I said, I don’t feel sorry for the younger boy. But I hope that my kids never trounce someone who is only 3/4 their age as well as much smaller.

      • Laura says:

        It kills me to say this, but… if Josh is ever in that position – if he is ever picking on someone like Richard is picking on Casey – I hope his victim stands up to him.

        Obviously, I never, ever want my son hurt. But if he’s hurting others, they have the right to defend themselves.

        • SKL says:

          I agree with you on this point, Laura. I would be extremely upset if my kid were acting that way toward anyone, of any size. And a whack by the other kid would probably be the best way to stop it. Hopefully the whack would be delivered sooner rather than later.

      • mssc54 says:

        Nope not one bit. Casey took it and took it. Until he finally decided to defend himself. Good for him! I still hope that little bully limps for a long, long time. Maybe if he suffers for a while he will be able to go to Bully’s Anonymous and give his testimoney. 🙂

    • Joy says:

      I don’t feel sorry for him SKL. It shouldn’t matter how old that little piss ant is. He hurt this “older” boy everyday with the taunts and all those kids standing around in the video were doing it to him too. I feel he had to take this stand. I think he threw him too hard but that’s what happens after years of bullying.

      Let’s say Casey wouldn’t have done anything to this boy and went home and hung himself. Then how would everyone feel? I think when you hurt someone like this, age is irrelevant.

      I’ll bet that bully’s parents are just like him. Mean and spiteful people.

      • SKL says:

        I guess my thing is that if I’m 16 and someone 3/4 my age is being an ass to me, I chalk it up to the kid’s stupidity. Of course he has no right to hit, and that needed to be stopped, but it’s harder to sympathize with the emotional bullying aspect when there’s that big a difference in ages. What 16-year-old even listens to what a 12-year-old says? Unless he’s delayed or something.

        My kids sometimes complain that the younger kids (by 6 mos or so) have been unpleasant to them at school. I always tell them that they are older and they need to look out for the younger ones. That the younger ones have not yet learned better ways to act, and they need to show them gently. Of course you don’t “gently show” a 12-year-old how to act, but you don’t let yourself get emotionally upset by a 12-year-old’s ignorance, either.

        • mssc54 says:

          Does anyone know how long this went on? Being “an ass” and “kid’s stupidity” is a once maybe twice thing. If this was prolonged over a period of days or even weeks I say Casey used great restraint.

          And I hope that bully limps for a long, long time! A LONG time!

  7. Nikki says:

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. But, GOOD FOR CASEY! Bullying is horrible, and it can literally ruins some ones life, and even in worse cases, cause them to end their life. Casey probably took so much abuse for so many years, that he had had enough, and who wouldn’t?! If I were this boys mother, I would be fighting that school tooth and nail! Actually I would have been fighting this school a very long time ago.

    We have always told Bailey, if he needs to physically defend himself, he is to do so. We don’t care if he gets in trouble with the school, he will not be in trouble at home.

    I feel terrible for Casey, and every other kid that gets bullied, physically or/and emotionally. It’s not fair. I highly doubt anyone will mess with Casey again, though!

    • mssc54 says:

      Two wrongs? What two?! What should Casey have done? Just run away? Pushed the kid away? Tell him his mother is fat and has bad breath? Maybe the school should post acceptable standards of behavior when you are being physically assaulted by another student.

      And I hope that bully brat limps for a long, long… verey LONG time! 🙂

      • Nikki says:

        I mean two wrongs as in TWO boys HIT someone. That is it. Go back and read what I said, I said GOOD FOR HIM. I’m pretty sure I made my comment very clear that I thought Casey did exactly what he should have done.

  8. Laura says:

    Ok, I’ve read quite bit about this in many different places. This is what I have learned so far:

    – this took place in Australia
    – The large kid is Casey, the runt is Richard
    – Casey is in 10th grade, Richard is in 7th
    – Casey is 16, and has been bullied since he began “high school” – this school hosts kids from 7th – 10th grade
    – a transcript appeared on a site called The Stir (so take it for what it’s worth), and it wasn’t just Richard who was doing the bullying – the kids standing around, including the camera person, were also taunting Casey and encouraging Richard
    – It was originally said, at different times, that Richard suffered a broken hip, a broken leg, and a broken shin. The most recent report says that Richard suffered only a scraped knee
    – both boys were suspended for four days for violence
    – as of a couple days ago, criminal charges against Casey were said to be pending. I don’t know if that has gone any further.
    – Richard’s parents are said to be suing Casey’s family, and Fox News reports that his mother is demanding an apology from Casey

    • Joy says:

      Figures right? The bully is like his parents.

    • SKL says:

      So sad about Richard’s parents. If they have seen the video, they should be horrified at their kid’s behavior. Do they really want to teach their kid that it’s OK to disrespect and provoke bigger kids? Aside from being a nuisance and bad example and needing something better to think about, the next time he might have his brains splattered on the ground.

  9. Joy says:

    Very briefly: When I was around 10, there was a boy who used to really bully us smaller and younger (by 2 years) girls. We used to play at one of my girlfriends house. She had a really neat tree swing that went out over a river. We swung in it constantly. We would push each other and talk. This boy used to come and make us get off the swing so he could use it and we were afraid of him so we grudgingly let him have it and we’d go in the house and play with something else. We never told anyone he was so mean to us. We thought he’d just be meaner.

    This swing had a wooden “seat” but it was more like a a piece of plywood cut really narrow and we sat on it with the rope in front of us and the stick-seat thing, between our legs. It was almost shaped like one of those sticks they give you for stirring paint only it was much thicker.

    Well, one day he came and demanded that we give him the swing. I’d had enough. I got off the swing and said “you want the swing Marty? Here is is” and I swung-threw that swing so hard it went through the air like a frisbee and hit him right smack dab on his face-head and there was blood everywhere. I’m not sure if hit him in the nose or cracked his head open or what but he took off running for home and he never bothered us or bullied us again.

    I was afraid of him for years. My whole teenage life actually. I didn’t go anywhere at night convinced he was hiding out for me and was going to get me when I was out alone so I was very fearful. Years later, I don’t remember now where we were but there he was. All grown up and not nearly as bully-looking. I told him I was scared of him my whole life and you know what he said to me?? He said “you were afraid of me, I was terrified of you.” I guess since I hurt him, he blamed me.

    The point is sometimes enough is just that. ENOUGH. If this were my child, I’d have told him the same thing. You can’t let bullies get away with this. They’ll continue until you show them you won’t allow it. I’ll bet NOBODY is going to bully Casey again. Two wrongs don’t make a right like Nikki said but this boy was teased for years. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I’m ashamed to admit it but I found a certain guilty pleasure seeing that little piss ant mean rotten little kid get thrown like that.

  10. Laura says:

    My take? I was bullied when I was in 4th grade by a kid in our neighborhood. I don’t know why he chose me, but he did. He was several grades ahead of me, and big. I was a skinny, tow-headed little girl, who didn’t run very fast, and had no idea how to deal with this jerk, even though my big brother gave me a few pointers. I was terrified of Bully. I was terrified of violence. I was scared to fight back. So I did what I was supposed to do… I told my mom. I told my teachers. My mom talked with the principal. Teachers and principal allegedly talked to Bully. My mom even talked with Bully’s mom.

    Bully kept following me home from school, yelling hateful things, and pummeling me whenever he got the chance – once, when Friend and I were running away from him, we tried jumping a fence. Friend got over, but my skirt got caught, and I was stuck straddling the top. Bully caught me and beat on me, karate-chopping up and down my back. I eventually extricated myself from the fence and ran away.

    Finally, after plenty of “we’ll talk with him”, “just walk away”, “just ignore him, and he’ll quit”, etc., he followed Friend and me home again. This time, we were ready. She was a drummer, I was a flute player, and we had our stuff with us that day. Bully caught up to us, grabbed me, and Friend spun around and started beating the crap out of him with her drumsticks. I joined in, using my hard plastic flute case as a weapon.

    Bully never touched me again.

    My point? All of these “passive resistance” tactics DON’T WORK. Bullies speak a different language than ‘normal’ people. Those who deal in violence only speak Violence. They interpret your “turning the other cheek” and “taking the high road” as cowardice, and they will continue to torment.

    The best way to handle a bully is to learn his language. That doesn’t mean that the victim turns into a bully himself, but when the bully starts pushing around a victim, the victim MUST stand his ground, look the bully in the eye, and DEFEND himself. And if that victim is too small to do it himself, it is imperative that those who witness come to the victim’s defense.

    What happened to Casey was shameful. Casey shouldn’t have had to do what he did. He should have been encouraged, from day one, to stop Richard. But no, he was told to let Richard do whatever he wanted. But that never works, because eventually, those who are tormented do one of two things – fight or die. We’ve had too many kids killing themselves because they were bullied. Casey was right. He fought, and now he’s alive.

    • Laura says:

      I promise, I did NOT read Joy’s story before I posted mine!!

      To me, that’s just proof – from real life – of how bullies must be handled.

      • SKL says:

        Yes, but in both of your cases, the bullies were older and bigger. What would you do a 7-year-old were biting your ankles? For one thing, you probably would not feel a dark terror hanging over your head all your life. (Not saying you’d let him bite your ankles, of course.)

        • Laura says:

          Well, in many cases, I’d be ignoring, like you said. BUT… once that ‘anklebiting’ turned to punching me in the face, and taking other physical shots, then I fight back.

          This kid, Casey, is said to have endured this for three or four years. They don’t say what kind of “bullying” he’s been enduring – perhaps this is the first time it got physical. But the fact that it DID get physical, that, to me, justifies the response. It ceased to be a “teaching moment”, where Casey the Bigger could show Richard the Smaller how to ignore taunting and teasing. The minute Richard threw that punch, he opened himself up to whatever consequences Casey decided to deliver.

        • mssc54 says:

          SKL you seem to be hung up on age vs actions.

          Let’s change it around a bit. What if the person being bullied was a “big boned” girl? Everything is the same except the gender change. What now?

    • Joy says:

      LMAO!!! I swear I did NOT see Laura’s!!!!!! That’s really funny that at the same time, we wrote a such similar thing.

  11. Nikki says:

    We’ve been pretty lucky when it comes to bullying with Bailey. Once incident this year was on the bus. A kid, same grade but a different elementary school (they share buses) was calling Bailey and another boy names. Bad names. The principle called me, and we talked about it. He said the other kid had told him, not Bailey. But this kid said it was happening to Bailey also. The bully got suspended. We had a talk about it. I asked why he never told me about it, he said this kid was just a punk and he ignored him half the time. I explained to him, that what he was saying was not okay, and it bothered “T” who obviously took it more personal than Bailey did. I told him that, this is only the beginning of what “J” will do, and if he gets away with it, it will get worse, and most likely lead to him being a physical bully. Never ever let anyone belittle you, stand up for yourself, and your friends. So far, so good.

    • Laura says:

      I pound (figuratively speaking) this into Josh’s head. “You may be small, but you know how to deal with people. It’s ok to say, “leave me alone”, or “leave him alone”. If you get in trouble for defending yourself or someone else, know that I will always stand with you.”

      It’s one of the reasons he’s in TKD – to learn to block. To learn to control his body, so that if push ever does come to shove, he’ll know how to manage the situation.

      The hardest part is teaching him to distinguish between ‘trash talk’ among buddies and classmates, and genuine bullying. So far, knock wood, I think we’ve only had to deal with trash talk.

  12. Joy says:

    I was looking at you tube for something fun for the weekend and found this.

    • Laura says:

      One line in that video really bugged me… it was near the end, and it was something like… “if you’re the victim, you can fight back, but the retaliation should be equal to the antagonism.”

      People don’t seem to understand. There is no “equal” in a situation like this. This isn’t a refereed fight in a ring, with boxing gloves and timed periods. This is WAR. Every bully who ever was, has declared war on his victim. And when you are in a war, you meet the aggressor with so much force that he will never, EVER consider crossing your path again. That’s what stops stuff like this.

  13. SKL says:

    I am sending from my Blackberry for the first time so not sure how it works.

    While it may be true C was bullied for years, Richard could not have been his bully that long b/c he would not have been in the same school. Why did Casey not whomp on one of the bullies nearer his own size or age? It just does not sit well with me. I could see how it could happen but I would not hold this up as “heroic” behavior for other kids to follow.

    And to mssc, no I woul not feel differently if we were talking about a girl.

    • Laura says:

      The thing is, Casey held off of Richard through being punched in the face, in the stomach, and at least one other blocked punch. Richard was being egged on by those standing around, which gave him courage. Every time he landed an unanswered punch, Richard was empowered.

      How long should he have held off of this “little” kid? Sometimes, just because someone is smaller, it doesn’t mean he’s weaker.

      You’re right – Richard was at the beginning of his tenure at that school, Casey was near the end. But haven’t you ever known a kid who was the School Punching Bag? I did – she was in my class. Everyone, in every grade above us and below us, ripped on her. They tormented her because she was poor, because she smelled, because she was mean to everyone. But the abuse continued, because all she felt she could do was be snotty back. She wasn’t allowed to defend herself, either, beyond nasty words. Fortunately, her situation never came to blows. I don’t know whatever happened to her, because she moved away.

      But it illustrates to me that this was a systemic thing. It was “the thing to do” to bash on Casey, illustrated by the fact that not only were there kids standing around and heckling, but there was someone videoing the whole thing. Casey was the school punching bag, and Richard went along with that. Richard was the one who threw the first punches. So he was the one who received the retaliation.

  14. Joy says:

    The only thing that’s kept nagging at me all day about the age/size deal is that there is so much abuse going on in the world. Whether it be women hitting their husbands to brothers and sisters fighting and an instance like this is it almost makes it seem okay if you hit or hurt someone if they’re bigger or older than you are. Hitting someone is usually the wrong thing to do. This older/bigger boy kept turning away. The little “punk” is the one who kept it up and it’s my guess he kept it up because he was used to doing it and didn’t expect Casey to do anything. That’s one of the things that sickens me. I feel so bad for that big kid. It’s my guess he’s taken this for many years. Why would someone film this if they didn’t think it was funny? Who’s laughing now?

  15. SKL says:

    I keep wondering whether it was in fact Casey’s friend who videotaped, in order to prove he had actual provocation to hit back. (Which he did.)

    I really do understand why Casey did what he did and I have no desire to demonize him. I just don’t think it makes him a hero. Some folks on other websites are putting him up on a pedestal.

    When my brother was in KG and very small for his age (wearing size 3), a much bigger/older kid ran to the office crying because my brother had “punched him in the nose.” According to my brother, the bigger kid had been instigating him (and he was called “shrimp,” etc., for most of his childhood). The adults adjudicating the matter could not figure out how my brother could even reach the bigger boy’s nose to punch it. Now that, I would have liked to see on a viral video. But the big kid hitting the little kid just doesn’t do it for me. Sorry – I can see I am the odd one out on this one.

  16. Phyllis says:

    I believe that the bully got EXACTLY what he deserved!! The fact that Casey stopped after he threw the bully shows self-control. How many kids, at that age, have enough control to not pummel their bully once he’s down and when they’ve finally had enough? Sorry, but I know people who are bigger than the norm for their age, stutter and get picked on for it, and have tics and suffered being tormented because they’re different! My sympathy’s with Casey! As for the idea that the kid with the camera was a friend of Casey’s, that’s ridiculous since the camera was filming after Casey walked away, the concern was voiced for the bully (are you ok?). I must admit, although I’m a “walk way” person most of the time, when I’ve had as much as I can tolerate the other person better look out. Would l have picked him up and thrown him down? No, I wouldn’t have…..however I would’ve beat the crap out of the creep and then taken the consequences that were dished out.

    In high school, freshmen yr, there was a girl who would pick on me any time we passed in the halls (which was frequently) without any provacation on my part. I took it from Aug. to mid Oct. and then I had enough. She pushed me and hit at me the last time in the hall, I threw my books on the floor, shoved her against the wall, smacked her once, very hard, backed up and said, “Come on, you’ve got a problem? Let’s end it now!” Guess what, she walked away and I never had another problem with her all through high school. Oh anyone else for that matter. The hall was packed with kids who had seen this go on several times a day for a couple of months. Yes, there were teachers in the hall, there usually were anyway, and it happened so fast that no one said a word or did anything.

    The shits in the world think they can just keep on doing whatever they want, to whoever they choose. They need to be taught the lesson that NO THEY CAN’T! Kids that bully grow into adults that continue to bully. Sometimes physically, sometimes verbally. I’m pretty sure the bully Casey handled has learned when to quit now!

    If Casey were my son, believe me, he wouldn’t be in trouble when he got home. Especially since he’d been this kids target for a while. There’s nothing wrong defending yourself. As for his suspension? Well, you pay the price for your actions. Another fact of life that should be learned early on. I’d just make sure he made up the missed schoolwork.

    No, SKL, he’s shouldn’t be made a hero. Fighting is wrong most of the time. But there comes a time when a person needs to stick up for/defend themselves. The bully isn’t a little demon either, but he’s definitely in the wrong here, behaving rather stupidly, and deserved to be taken down.

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