Voter ID

I was talking about this with my mom the other day and she’s about as democrat as I’m republican and she brought it up but honestly, I don’t see this as a big deal and it has caused a lot of problems. We didn’t have a governor for the longest time because of miscounted and or missing votes.

My mom feels that too many older people or people who don’t have a birth certificate wouldn’t be able to get a state ID and therefore wouldn’t be able to vote. Well then I have many, many other questions. I’ve had to show my drivers license for doctors appts. I’ve had to show it at “surprising” times while picking up a prescription. I know going with my mom for the last year, she’s had to show it as many as 3 or 4 times during a cycle of doc appts in one day. What about banking? Don’t any of these people bank? Don’t any of these people work? You need a photo ID on file at your place of employment. Don’t they pay taxes or get any aide of any kind?

I said this to my mom. How many times in the last year, for medical reasons, have you had to show your picture ID? Of course she comes back with “I know BUT”……..Then she gives me the old argument that many older people or people in the south don’t know how to get or find their birth certificates. What about people who don’t know where they were born she comes back with?

I count back with “If you can’t show a photo ID to vote, how do you do anything else? Doctor? Dentist? Bank?” I mean it. Seriously. Don’t any of these people who claim not to have ID have bank accounts or ever go to the doctor? Why do I have to show my ID so much and some people don’t even have one? I don’t know how a person survives not having any picture forms of ID.

Where do you stand? Do you think you should have to show and ID to vote?

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22 Responses to Voter ID

  1. Laura says:

    Well, of COURSE you should have to show an ID to vote. But it will never happen as long as the Dems have their way. How else will they get Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, et al, to vote…. like they did for Obama?

    I am so sick of hearing about how some “oppressed” group will be “disenfranchised” if they have to follow the rules. And here’s the flipside… what about “disenfranchising” the rest of us who followed the rules, only to have our votes rendered useless when those who are breaking the laws flood the ballot boxes… with votes from Mickey and Donald??

    OH, this just pushes every one of my buttons.

    Not making people show an ID is absolutely wrong. I love how these people have no problem showing an ID to purchase their alcohol (in Iowa, they are required to card if you *look* like you *might* be under 40), but the minute they need to show ID to vote, it’s “racist”, “ageist”, “anti-immigrant” and a thousand other buzzwords.

    Thanks. Now I have hair all over the floor. grrrr.

    • Joy says:

      I get the voting thing. So are you telling me that these people have ID’s and just don’t want to show them? Or then we’re back to my question. How do they bank? What doctors will see them without ID and why do I have to show one?

      • mssc54o says:

        I have owned a service company (in the South) for nearly 30 years. The vast majority of my black skinned customers pay cash. No bank accounts. I think it gets down to the inherent distrust of the establishment.

      • Joy says:

        Don’t they go to the doctor either? Now you have to show it there before your appt almost every time unless you know the girls working.

  2. mssc54o says:

    I don’t want to be disrespectful to your mom, so let me just kindly reassure her that both my mother’s and father’s sides of our family are from as Deep South as you can get and honestly I don’t know if they all had birth certificates. My dad was born in the 1920s so my grandparents were born way before that (that’s how it works, even in the South). Not sure about my grandmothers but both my grandfathers had a drivers license. I don’t know about their voting record though.

    • Joy says:

      If they don’t have a birth certificate, can they get a legal ID? She had to have heard this on some cockamamie show she watches. She wouldn’t think of it on her own.

  3. Laura says:

    Regarding the nonexistent Birth Certificate… I believe that every state has some sort of mechanism in place to establish identification. They have to, otherwise, how would Senior Citizens who travel (and there are tons of them) get a passport???

    This comes down to people who either don’t want to, who are intimidated by the system, or don’t understand the process. The only one of those that are out of luck are in the first group. Those in the second and third groups can find someone – a family member, a trusted friend, a member of the clergy, etc., to help them get through the process.

    And those in the first group are the ones that are guilty of allowing the Dems to continue flaunting the system and twisting it into the pathetic shadow of what the founders intended.

  4. Right Minded says:

    That’s why the voting requirements should be locked down and you must register to vote using some type of ID. Any legal U.S. resident will have one or more types of identification, whether it be a drivers license, state ID, social security card, etc. Start the process now. It’s only February. It’s not voter discrimination to require identification to register. It’s voter fraud prevention. And any U.S. citizen can comply. It just might take a little bit of effort.

  5. Just a Mom says:

    I totally agree that you should have to show a photo ID to vote. This is why I voted for it when my state put it to the voters last year. The State of Texas passed a law as of January 1, 2012 requiring a photo id card to vote.
    Proud to call myself a Texan!

  6. SKL says:

    It’s convenient to not have to show ID, but let’s get real. It is not that hard to get an ID. And if you don’t have one despite trying, that usually means that you are either not a citizen or not competent to cast a ballot.

    I don’t recall having to show picture ID at doctors’ offices, though that could just be because I’m so used to showing all year long it that it doesn’t faze me anymore. I do have to show it to make credit card purchases in some places. It is absolutely required for getting a job (to prove you’re legal to work in the USA). And since most legal employers don’t pay in cash, you need a bank account to have access to money you earn. I’d like to think you’d need some ID to collect any taxpayer-funded benefits. What about housing? Who’s going to rent or give a mortgage to someone who doesn’t have proof of identity? I’m just not buying all the bleeding-heart stuff in this day and age. Anyone who cares enough to vote (legally) cares enough to get an ID.

    Oh, and if you don’t know where you were born, you need to find out, because you might just be a non-citizen.

  7. Joseph says:

    What? Photo ID is a must to vote! Don’t you get enumerated? Our federal government gives us the option to register when we file our income tax. But you still require photo ID with your physical address when you go to vote. Our government, to the howls of rights activists, even recently introduced that head coverings must be removed so the election official can verify with the photo ID presented. The Province comes by to each and every door to verify who is eligible and then leaves a voting card. You don’t need ID then when voting. But they personally verified your authenticity beforehand. Only makes logical sense to me that you must prove who you are in order to vote. Nothing discriminatory or violation of a person’s rights. It’s actually a protection of your rights from others who would circumvent and abuse your rights. That way we don’t have people’s dead dogs voting for the winner, if you know what I mean!

    As a side note on photo ID, I do hate the way US retailers always request photo ID with a credit card purchase. My credit card policy explicitly says they are NOT to request ID. It becomes tiring arguing that though, so I show my firearms acquisition licence which has NO personal information for anyone to steal but my name and some government numbers.

    • Laura says:

      How interesting… in the US, many people write “Ask for ID” on the back of their credit cards instead of signing it, so the cashier MUST ask for identification to ensure that you are not using a stolen credit card!

      • Joseph says:

        My policy is explicit in stating they must not ask for any ID. The store must verify your signature with what’s on the card. But I guess the problem is that you sign on the electronic pad in the States so much. Harder to verify.
        The policy is protection so the person handling your card cannot gather anymore additional personal information to scam your card with, as once you have a persons address you can find out more information, causing even easier ID theft. So instead of arguing that with the cashier, I just show them my very non descript photo ID. Thus I can circumvent them gathering my address and drivers number, etc along with my credit card information.
        Less is more for ID and credit card fraud.

    • Joy says:

      I like it also when they ask me. It lets me know they’re paying attention and it’s really my card. Sometimes I get irritated when they don’t if I’ve spent a lot of money. I’ve used Paul’s cards before and it amazes me that someone will take that card and obviously doesn’t even read it because do I look like Paul L Erickson??? Also, now at some of the stores like Cub, Target, Walmart, they trying to push you don’t need to sign if it’s under $50. I don’t like that even more. Anyone could take your purse and charge $49.99 and walk out the door. It’s funny, that was just on the news last night. It’s now at $25 at a lot of stores and now they want to raise it to $50. I think you should at least have to always sign. What’s the imposition about that?

      I feel that’s protecting us. It’s not a punishment. My mom gets mad too but she doesn’t get that they are just protecting her card. She acts like they don’t believe her or something when that’s not what it’s about.

      • Joseph says:

        I hate giving out all that extra personnal info.

      • Joy says:

        I could see that more in a restaurant where they take your card and walk away but in a store they only glance at the photo of you and the back of the card to look at the signature. I’d much prefer to pay cash when eating out or at any establishment where they take your card and leave for a few minutes.

  8. Laura says:

    I don’t know how long it’s going to be on, but Joe Pags is discussing this on his “Texas Hour” of his show on I Heart Radio right now (Thurs, 8:54 AM CST).

  9. Nikki says:

    I really can’t believe they don’t require it to vote! Like Joy mentioned, you have to show your ID for just about everything these days. None of it bothers me. It really bothers Jason. He must get that (and a lot more!) from his wonderful grandmother 😉 It is to protect us. Especially if I am making a credit card purchase. I get irritated when I’m not asked! Anyone could have stolen it and used it.

    It’s not like we’re voting for the next American Idol. We’re voting for the person who is to run our country! I get that older people don’t have the proper paper work to get an ID. I think something needs to be done about that. If you want to vote, take the steps to do so.

  10. SKL says:

    Don’t you need some kind of documentation to get Social Security and Medicare?

    • Joy says:

      Yes you do. That’s why I have with all these questions about a photo ID. I honestly don’t believe that many people don’t have one. You HAVE to have one now. Even medial fraud has become a problem. My mom had to show an ID Tues when we went for her appt and they know who she is and that she has one but I think it’s a prompt to ask. I think people are going to the doctor using fake ID’s. Actually, she had to show her drivers license, medicare AND her proof of insurance card. That’s 3 ID’s when they knew fool well that she was who she said she was. They even photo copied them. That’s the “proof” it was her so show the companies. This makes no sense to me that people say they don’t have ID’s. I don’t buy it.

    • Joy says:

      I’m wondering if it’s for bill paying. They need your ID’s so that medicare and the Blue Cross know it was really you. Otherwise, why would they copy your cards?

      So, here we are right back to where we were. How do these people with no ID go to the doctor???

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